{"id":34560,"date":"2026-07-01T08:46:47","date_gmt":"2026-07-01T12:46:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.wellable.co\/blog\/?p=34560"},"modified":"2026-07-01T08:46:50","modified_gmt":"2026-07-01T12:46:50","slug":"remote-work-plateau-gen-z-quiet-coping-mental-health","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.wellable.co\/blog\/remote-work-plateau-gen-z-quiet-coping-mental-health\/","title":{"rendered":"Remote Work Isn&#8217;t Going Away &amp; Gen Z is &#8220;Quiet Coping&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this week&#8217;s episode, Nick and Geoff dig into two studies that challenge the dominant narratives around remote work and Gen Z in the workplace. New&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.wsj.com\/economy\/jobs\/work-from-home-is-here-to-stayeven-if-some-ceos-dont-love-it-5bd6690a\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">research<\/a>&nbsp;shows remote work has plateaued at 26% of paid full-time days, while a&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/gritdaily.com\/the-next-workplace-trend-has-a-name-quiet-coping\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">survey of 18,000 US adults<\/a>&nbsp;reveals that one in four Gen Z workers are depressed and quietly self-managing rather than seeking formal treatment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"video-embed\" style=\"position:relative;padding-bottom:56.25%;height:0;\">\n<iframe src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/dc47R173NCw?si=XTFNHQR_AaYemZS3\" title=\"Remote Work Isn't Going Away &#038; Gen Z is \"Quiet Coping\"\" style=\"position:absolute;width:100%;height:100%;top:0;left:0;\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen=\"\">\n  <\/iframe>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"row justify-content-between\">\n<div class=\"cs-btn-light text-center mb-4 col-12 col-md-6 pr-md-4\">\n  <a class=\"cs-button d-flex align-items-center justify-content-center w-100\" href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/remote-work-isnt-going-away-gen-z-is-quiet-coping\/id1869414001?i=1000774966864\" target=\"_blank\" style=\"gap: 8px\">\n\n<img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.wellable.co\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/Apple-Podcasts-logo.png?w=640&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Apple podcast\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"h-auto\" style=\"width: 24px\">\n\n<span style=\"font-size: 20px\">Listen on Apple Podcasts<\/span>\n<\/a>\n<\/div>\n\n<div class=\"cs-btn-light text-center mb-4 col-12 col-md-6 pl-md-4\">\n  <a class=\"cs-button d-flex align-items-center justify-content-center gap-3 w-100\" href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/1UYYzNFjvHQ1uoE87SCyUc?si=deCNY4yBToCXW_zyKCXYSw\" target=\"_blank\" style=\"gap: 8px\">\n\n<img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.wellable.co\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/Spotify_White_Logo.png?w=640&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Apple podcast\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"h-auto pr\" style=\"width: 24px\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 20px\">Listen on Spotify<\/span>\n\n<\/a>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n<div style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(0 0 0 \/ 0.1); padding: 25px 25px 10px; border-radius: 8px; box-shadow: 0 4px 6px -1px rgb(0 0 0 \/ 0.1), 0 2px 4px -2px rgb(0 0 0 \/ 0.1);\">\n<h3 id=\"h-pressed-for-time-here-s-a-quick-summary\" class=\"wp-block-heading nitoc\">Short on time? Here are the key takeaways:<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li><a class=\"Hyperlink SCXW135137679 BCX0\" href=\"https:\/\/wfhresearch.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><span class=\"TextRun Underlined SCXW135137679 BCX0\" lang=\"EN-US\" xml:lang=\"EN-US\" data-contrast=\"none\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW135137679 BCX0\" data-ccp-charstyle=\"Hyperlink\">Remote work has plateaued<\/span><\/span><\/a><span class=\"TextRun SCXW135137679 BCX0\" lang=\"EN-US\" xml:lang=\"EN-US\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW135137679 BCX0\">\u00a0at\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW135137679 BCX0\">roughly 26%<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW135137679 BCX0\"> of paid full-time days, down only marginally from 27% two years ago and far above the pre-COVID baseline of 7%, suggesting most employers have settled into hybrid arrangements and are staying there<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span class=\"TextRun SCXW89347124 BCX0\" lang=\"EN-US\" xml:lang=\"EN-US\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW89347124 BCX0\">Stanford economist\u00a0<\/span><\/span><a class=\"Hyperlink SCXW89347124 BCX0\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/nick-bloom-stanford\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><span class=\"TextRun Underlined SCXW89347124 BCX0\" lang=\"EN-US\" xml:lang=\"EN-US\" data-contrast=\"none\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW89347124 BCX0\" data-ccp-charstyle=\"Hyperlink\">Nicholas Bloom<\/span><\/span><\/a><span class=\"TextRun SCXW89347124 BCX0\" lang=\"EN-US\" xml:lang=\"EN-US\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW89347124 BCX0\">\u00a0predicts hybrid work will increase as younger, more flexible CEOs replace older executives, while\u00a0<\/span><\/span><a class=\"Hyperlink SCXW89347124 BCX0\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/jamiedimon\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><span class=\"TextRun Underlined SCXW89347124 BCX0\" lang=\"EN-US\" xml:lang=\"EN-US\" data-contrast=\"none\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW89347124 BCX0\" data-ccp-charstyle=\"Hyperlink\">JP Morgan&#8217;s Jamie Dimon<\/span><\/span><\/a><span class=\"TextRun SCXW89347124 BCX0\" lang=\"EN-US\" xml:lang=\"EN-US\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW89347124 BCX0\"> argues one recession would be enough to push on-site requirements significantly higher<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span class=\"TextRun SCXW223524465 BCX0\" lang=\"EN-US\" xml:lang=\"EN-US\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW223524465 BCX0\">Approximately 25% of Gen Z workers are experiencing depression, and many have quietly abandoned formal treatment after financially draining and unsuccessful experiences with antidepressants<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span class=\"TextRun SCXW191506017 BCX0\" lang=\"EN-US\" xml:lang=\"EN-US\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW191506017 BCX0\">Half of depressed Gen Z workers are using marijuana as a coping mechanism and 70% of Gen Z CBD users are using it specifically for mental wellness, though similar patterns exist among millennials<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span class=\"TextRun SCXW237320984 BCX0\" lang=\"EN-US\" xml:lang=\"EN-US\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW237320984 BCX0\">Manager training focused on mental health awareness is the most actionable employer response, and in-person work gives managers meaningfully better visibility into employees who may be quietly struggling<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"episode-summary\">Episode Summary<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"remote-work-has-plateaued-but-the-direction-is-contested\">Remote Work Has Plateaued, But the Direction Is Contested<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Nick is recording this episode from Greece, which he notes makes him a living example of the very trend under discussion.&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/wfhresearch.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">New&nbsp;research<\/a>&nbsp;shows&nbsp;that remote work has stabilized at around 26% of paid full-time days as of May, barely changed from 27% two years ago. The pre-COVID baseline was 7%. What that means in practical terms is that the&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.wellable.co\/blog\/return-to-office-strategies\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">return-to-office wave<\/a>&nbsp;that has dominated business headlines has not moved the aggregate number in any meaningful way. Most employers settled into&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.wellable.co\/blog\/flexible-work-arrangement-trends\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">hybrid arrangements<\/a>&nbsp;and stayed there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Geoff connects this to Wellable&#8217;s own experience. The company has&nbsp;required&nbsp;two anchor days in the office,&nbsp;Wednesdays&nbsp;and Thursdays, for the better part of five years, and that policy has not changed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The more interesting question is whether 26% is&nbsp;actually a&nbsp;stable equilibrium or just a pause before another shift.&nbsp;Stanford economist&nbsp;Nicholas Bloom\u2019s&nbsp;prediction is that the number will rise over time as younger CEOs, who are statistically more likely to support hybrid work, replace older executives who prefer on-site arrangements. JP Morgan&#8217;s Jamie Dimon has the opposite view: the current hybrid normal is a product of a tight labor market where employers have had to compete for talent, and one significant recession would shift the power dynamic enough to push on-site requirements materially higher. Nick&#8217;s read is that both could be right, depending on which macroeconomic scenario plays out first. The 26% plateau may be less stable than it looks.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"quiet-coping-what-gen-zs-mental-health-crisis-means-for-employers\">Quiet Coping: What Gen Z&#8217;s Mental Health Crisis Means for Employers<\/h3>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"640\" height=\"291\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.wellable.co\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Mental-Emotional-1024x465.png?resize=640%2C291&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"A cartoon illustration of a calm woman with icons such as puzzle pieces, gears, stars, and plus signs floating around her, surrounded by colorful leaves and plants, symbolizing mental wellness and the interconnected elements of mental health.\" class=\"wp-image-29276\" style=\"aspect-ratio:2.202195641487793;width:588px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.wellable.co\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Mental-Emotional.png?resize=1024%2C465&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.wellable.co\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Mental-Emotional.png?resize=300%2C136&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.wellable.co\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Mental-Emotional.png?resize=768%2C349&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.wellable.co\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Mental-Emotional.png?resize=1536%2C698&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.wellable.co\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Mental-Emotional.png?resize=2048%2C931&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.wellable.co\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Mental-Emotional.png?w=1280&amp;ssl=1 1280w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.wellable.co\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Mental-Emotional.png?w=1920&amp;ssl=1 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The second study comes from&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/prosperinsights.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Prosper Insights Analytics<\/a>, a private research firm that&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.neurokaire.com\/self-medication-generation-report\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">surveyed 18,000 US adults<\/a>&nbsp;on how different generations are handling mental health challenges. The finding that anchors the discussion is that&nbsp;roughly one&nbsp;in four Gen Z workers, about 25%, are experiencing depression. That number is&nbsp;likely higher&nbsp;than most employers would&nbsp;estimate&nbsp;and higher than most employers would have good visibility into, especially in hybrid or remote environments.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What distinguishes the Gen Z pattern is not just the prevalence of depression but the response to it. These workers have&nbsp;largely lost&nbsp;confidence in the formal healthcare system. Nick walks through why: young workers often lack the financial resources to navigate a&nbsp;trial-and-error antidepressant process where the first prescription&nbsp;frequently&nbsp;does not work, requiring multiple attempts at&nbsp;real cost&nbsp;and emotional toll. Dropping out after the first failed round is a rational response to a system that expects iteration but does not account for the financial and emotional burden that iteration&nbsp;places on&nbsp;someone already struggling. The result is a generation that is coping quietly on its own.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The coping mechanisms vary in how healthy they are. The survey found that half of depressed Gen Z respondents are using marijuana and that 70% of Gen Z CBD users are using it specifically for mental wellness. Nick is careful to note that when you look at the full data, millennials are not far behind: 48% of depressed millennials report marijuana use, and 62% use CBD for mental wellness. The gap exists but is narrower than the Gen Z framing of the article implies. Geoff notes that Gen Z is also turning to more constructive outlets: crafting, reading, exercise, and analog hobbies. The picture is not uniformly bleak. But the pattern of quiet self-management rather than formal treatment is a signal that employers should take seriously.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"what-employers-should-actually-do-with-this-information\">What Employers Should Actually Do with This Information<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Geoff&#8217;s framing of the employer response is direct: lean into the wholesome,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.wellable.co\/health-content\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">holistic health resources<\/a>&nbsp;that Gen Z is already drawn to, and invest in manager training that equips&nbsp;people&nbsp;leaders to notice when someone is struggling. The criticism that Gen Z has an attitude problem, which became a common narrative in some management circles, looks increasingly like a misdiagnosis. The data suggests what some managers read as attitude may have had more to do with untreated mental health than with workplace entitlement.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Nick connects the two articles. In-person work is not just a productivity or collaboration story. It is also a visibility story. A manager who physically sees their team has a fundamentally different ability to notice when someone has gone quiet, seems withdrawn, or is not engaging in the way they normally would. Remote and asynchronous environments strip out those signals. An employee dealing with depression in a fully remote setting can become&nbsp;nearly invisible&nbsp;to the people who might otherwise help.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"frequently-asked-questions\">Frequently Asked Questions<\/h2>\n\n\n\n    <section class=\"faq-section\">\n      <div class=\"faq-accordion\">\n\n        \n        <div class=\"faq-item card card-faq\">\n          <button \n            class=\"faq-question\" \n            data-target=\"faq_1\"\n            type=\"button\"\n          >\n            Has return to office actually reversed the remote work trend?            <span class=\"icon\"><\/span>\n          <\/button>\n\n          <div id=\"faq_1\" class=\"faq-answer\">\n            <p><span class=\"TextRun SCXW257118095 BCX0\" lang=\"EN-US\" xml:lang=\"EN-US\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW257118095 BCX0\">No, at least not\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW257118095 BCX0\">in the aggregate<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW257118095 BCX0\">\u00a0data.\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW257118095 BCX0\">New<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW257118095 BCX0\">\u00a0research shows that remote work stabilized at approximately 26% of paid full-time days as of May, down only marginally from 27% two years ago. Despite high-profile return-to-office mandates from companies like Amazon and JP Morgan, most employers have not shifted significantly. The pre-COVID baseline was 7%, so the current level still\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW257118095 BCX0\">represents<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW257118095 BCX0\"> a dramatic and durable change in how work is structured.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n          <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n\n        \n        <div class=\"faq-item card card-faq\">\n          <button \n            class=\"faq-question\" \n            data-target=\"faq_2\"\n            type=\"button\"\n          >\n            Will remote work increase or decrease over time?            <span class=\"icon\"><\/span>\n          <\/button>\n\n          <div id=\"faq_2\" class=\"faq-answer\">\n            <p><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW86179093 BCX0\">It depends on who you ask. Nicholas Bloom predicts that hybrid work will expand as younger, more hybrid-friendly CEOs replace older executives who favor on-site arrangements. JP Morgan&#8217;s Jamie Dimon argues that the current hybrid equilibrium is a product of a tight labor market, and a recession would shift <\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun ContextualSpellingAndGrammarErrorV2Themed SCXW86179093 BCX0\">employer<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW86179093 BCX0\">\u00a0leverage enough to drive on-site requirements higher. Both scenarios are plausible, and the direction will\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW86179093 BCX0\">likely depend<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW86179093 BCX0\">\u00a0on which macroeconomic conditions materialize first.<\/span><\/p>\n          <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n\n        \n        <div class=\"faq-item card card-faq\">\n          <button \n            class=\"faq-question\" \n            data-target=\"faq_3\"\n            type=\"button\"\n          >\n            What is quiet coping?            <span class=\"icon\"><\/span>\n          <\/button>\n\n          <div id=\"faq_3\" class=\"faq-answer\">\n            <p><span class=\"TextRun SCXW56216696 BCX0\" lang=\"EN-US\" xml:lang=\"EN-US\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW56216696 BCX0\">Quiet coping refers to the pattern of managing mental health challenges privately, without formal treatment, often through self-medication or lifestyle adjustments. It is increasingly common among Gen Z workers, approximately 25% of whom are experiencing depression.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n          <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n\n        \n        <div class=\"faq-item card card-faq\">\n          <button \n            class=\"faq-question\" \n            data-target=\"faq_4\"\n            type=\"button\"\n          >\n            Why are marijuana and CBD showing up so prominently in Gen Z mental health data?            <span class=\"icon\"><\/span>\n          <\/button>\n\n          <div id=\"faq_4\" class=\"faq-answer\">\n            <p><span class=\"TextRun SCXW61822950 BCX0\" lang=\"EN-US\" xml:lang=\"EN-US\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW61822950 BCX0\">Half of depressed Gen Z respondents in the Prosper Insights Analytics survey reported using marijuana as a coping mechanism, and 70% of Gen Z CBD users are using it specifically for mental wellness. Nick cautions against treating this as uniquely a Gen Z story: millennials are not far behind, with 48% of depressed millennials reporting marijuana use and 62% using CBD for mental wellness. The trend reflects broader skepticism toward the formal healthcare system and a preference for accessible, self-directed coping tools.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n          <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n\n        \n        <div class=\"faq-item card card-faq\">\n          <button \n            class=\"faq-question\" \n            data-target=\"faq_5\"\n            type=\"button\"\n          >\n            What should employers do about Gen Z mental health?            <span class=\"icon\"><\/span>\n          <\/button>\n\n          <div id=\"faq_5\" class=\"faq-answer\">\n            <p><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW216032821 BCX0\">Geoff\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW216032821 BCX0\">identifies<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW216032821 BCX0\">\u00a0two practical responses: leaning into wholesome, holistic health resources that Gen Z employees are already drawn to, such as exercise programs, creative outlets, and analog wellness activities, and investing in manager training focused on mental health awareness. The narrative that Gen Z has an attitude problem may have reflected untreated mental health rather than workplace entitlement, and managers equipped with the right training are better positioned to notice and respond to early signs of struggle.<\/span><\/p>\n          <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n\n        \n        <div class=\"faq-item card card-faq\">\n          <button \n            class=\"faq-question\" \n            data-target=\"faq_6\"\n            type=\"button\"\n          >\n            How does remote work affect employers' ability to support employee mental health?            <span class=\"icon\"><\/span>\n          <\/button>\n\n          <div id=\"faq_6\" class=\"faq-answer\">\n            <p><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW264786875 BCX0\">Nick argues that in-person work gives managers meaningfully better visibility into how their team members are doing. An employee dealing with depression in a remote environment may become\u00a0<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW264786875 BCX0\">nearly invisible<\/span><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW264786875 BCX0\">\u00a0to the people who might otherwise notice and help. The case for some amount of in-person work is therefore not just about productivity or collaboration but about the human infrastructure that makes early intervention in mental health challenges possible.<\/span><\/p>\n          <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n\n        \n      <\/div>\n    <\/section>\n\n    \n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"full-episode-transcript\"><strong style=\"color: transparent; visibility: hidden; opacity: 0;\">Full Episode Transcript<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n    <section class=\"faq-section toc-helper-accordion\">\n      <div class=\"faq-accordion\">\n\n        \n        <div class=\"custom-accordion-item\">\n          <button \n            class=\"faq-question\" \n            data-target=\"transcript_1\"\n            type=\"button\"\n          >\n            <h2 id=\"full-episode-transcript\"><strong>Full Episode Transcript<\/strong><\/h2>\n            <span class=\"icon\"><\/span>\n          <\/button>\n\n          <div id=\"transcript_1\" class=\"faq-answer\">\n            <p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Nick:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0Welcome to the\u00a0Wellable\u00a0Weekly Podcast, where we talk about key topics and trends at the intersection of wellbeing, technology, and HR.\u00a0I&#8217;m\u00a0Nick, along with my good friend and co-host Geoff. Geoff,\u00a0how&#8217;s\u00a0it going?<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Geoff:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0It&#8217;s\u00a0going well, Nick. I like the shirt \u2014 repping the Greek gear.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Nick:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0It&#8217;s\u00a0a new edition. For those who\u00a0don&#8217;t\u00a0know,\u00a0I&#8217;m\u00a0actually recording\u00a0this podcast from Greece.\u00a0I&#8217;m\u00a0here for a few weeks, and we\u00a0didn&#8217;t\u00a0want to skip a week, so Geoff and I are meeting across time zones.\u00a0It&#8217;s\u00a0my late afternoon, his morning. Glad the internet is working. We had some issues early on, but we can hop right into it.\u00a0It&#8217;s actually a timely topic.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">There&#8217;s a really good study we talked about in\u00a0Wellable\u00a0Weekly related to remote work. Obviously, what\u00a0I&#8217;m\u00a0doing right now in Greece is remote work. The gist of the article is that\u00a0it&#8217;s\u00a0a true study from a couple of economists, one of whom\u00a0we&#8217;ve\u00a0talked about before, Nicholas Bloom from Stanford, continuing to provide ongoing data on remote work.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">There&#8217;s\u00a0a belief, if you just follow the news, that\u00a0more and more\u00a0companies like Amazon and JP Morgan are doing return-to-office mandates. In some\u00a0cases\u00a0it&#8217;s\u00a0five days, some cases four.\u00a0It&#8217;s\u00a0a significant push to get people into the office. If you just watch the news,\u00a0you&#8217;d\u00a0think\u00a0we&#8217;re\u00a0moving steadily toward more on-site work. But the study shows we&#8217;ve effectively plateaued.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">In May, 26% of paid full-time days were\u00a0work\u00a0from home. About a quarter. Two years ago, that number was 27%. If you look at that chart month by month over the last four years, you see a big post-COVID spike that slowly declined as people returned to something resembling normal. But the new normal is not the pre-COVID normal. Pre-COVID, about 7% of days were remote.\u00a0So\u00a0it&#8217;s\u00a0drastically higher than before, but it seems to have plateaued at about one in four days remote.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Geoff:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0The big company story gets a lot of attention. Jamie Dimon at JP Morgan has long been a real advocate for full return to office, encouraging and in some cases mandating that JP Morgan associates come back five days a week. And others have made similar headlines. But\u00a0that&#8217;s\u00a0a legitimate strategic choice for their culture and business model. Large companies like JP Morgan can afford to lose some people who\u00a0won&#8217;t\u00a0come in. Most employers simply\u00a0can&#8217;t\u00a0make that same bet and have come to terms with this new normal.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Looking at this data, with the true leveling out and plateauing, it feels like we have\u00a0a pretty good\u00a0sense of what the average employer is going to ask of their staff when it comes to\u00a0working arrangements. At\u00a0Wellable\u00a0personally,\u00a0we&#8217;ve\u00a0had two required anchor days, Wednesdays and Thursdays, for the better part of five years. I\u00a0don&#8217;t\u00a0really see that\u00a0changing\u00a0anytime soon for us.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Nick:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0I feel\u00a0pretty good\u00a0about our policy when you think about remote work as a benefit for attracting talent.\u00a0We&#8217;re\u00a0two days a week in\u00a0office, but there are about five fully remote weeks per year, plus six flex days everyone can choose to work remotely. When you add that up with PTO, employees are\u00a0probably in\u00a0the office closer to 25% or 30% of actual working time, not 40%.\u00a0We&#8217;ve\u00a0effectively flipped the equation: rather than being one-fourth remote,\u00a0we&#8217;re\u00a0one-fourth in office.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">The Jamie Dimon thing is interesting in relation to the study because the study includes\u00a0a prediction. Two big takeaways: one,\u00a0we&#8217;ve\u00a0plateaued at 26%, and two, the economists, including Bloom, believe the direction of travel will shift. Bloom points out that younger CEOs, those under 40, are significantly more likely to encourage hybrid work, while older CEOs are more likely to favor on-site. So as older CEOs retire and younger ones take their roles, that should push the 26% number up toward 30% or 40% over time.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">But\u00a0there&#8217;s\u00a0a flip side. For most of the last five years,\u00a0it&#8217;s\u00a0been an employee-friendly market.\u00a0That&#8217;s\u00a0slowly shifted over the past six to twelve months toward being more employer-friendly, especially with AI job loss conversations. Jamie Dimon, the same person pushing everyone back to the office, also says\u00a0we&#8217;re\u00a0one big recession away from everyone being on-site. He thinks the talent wars have led employers to accept more remote work than they personally prefer, and once that power dynamic shifts sufficiently toward employers, as it would in a recession, on-site requirements will dial up.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">I\u00a0don&#8217;t\u00a0know\u00a0who&#8217;s\u00a0right, whether\u00a0it&#8217;s\u00a0the academic\u00a0or\u00a0the practitioner. But\u00a0there&#8217;s\u00a0a strong argument\u00a0that the 26% number is not stable and could go in either direction.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Geoff:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0It&#8217;s\u00a0plateauing\u00a0in a\u00a0relatively stable\u00a0time, but all it would take is one market shock, as Dimon suggests, to upend things. Although at the same time, depending on when that shock comes,\u00a0there&#8217;s\u00a0some truth to the generational view. The cycle of older executives retiring and younger CEOs becoming established matters. And\u00a0there&#8217;s\u00a0also the question of US job growth, which historically comes from smaller companies that grow over time. JP Morgan may be setting norms for certain industries, but most of the market is moving differently.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">The other point\u00a0we&#8217;ve\u00a0talked about a lot is the cost of remote work specifically\u00a0on\u00a0younger workers. There&#8217;s\u00a0pretty convincing\u00a0evidence that proximity to senior colleagues during your twenties matters a lot for skill development, and that skill gaps formed early can persist into your thirties.\u00a0That&#8217;s\u00a0a legitimate employer concern, and hopefully an employee\u00a0concern too, not just a CEO preference. And it brings us naturally to our next article: how younger generations are dealing with the challenges they experience both personally and professionally, with remote work being a meaningful\u00a0component.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Nick:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0Exactly. The other article in\u00a0Wellable\u00a0Weekly introduced this concept of quiet coping. In the HR world\u00a0we&#8217;ve\u00a0had a run of &#8220;quiet&#8221; terms: quiet quitting, where employees choose not to do their job but stay on payroll; quiet vacationing, where employees take time off without formally requesting PTO. This new concept, quiet coping, has a sad angle to it.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">The research behind it is a sophisticated survey rather than academic research in\u00a0the\u00a0strict sense.\u00a0It&#8217;s\u00a0the Self-Medication Generation study, conducted by a private research firm called Prosper Insights Analytics, which surveyed 18,000 US adults. About one in four respondents were Gen Z. The study is focused on Gen Z and specifically on depression in Gen Z.\u00a0Roughly 25%\u00a0of Gen\u00a0Zers\u00a0are depressed. If you asked most employers to estimate that number in their own workforce,\u00a0they&#8217;d\u00a0probably guess\u00a0much lower, and\u00a0they&#8217;d\u00a0have limited visibility into what the real number is.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">When someone is going through depression or mental health challenges,\u00a0they&#8217;re\u00a0typically encouraged to seek treatment, whether pharmaceutical, therapy, or something else.\u00a0What&#8217;s\u00a0happening with this group is that they&#8217;ve\u00a0largely lost\u00a0faith in the healthcare system. Partly\u00a0they&#8217;re\u00a0very young\u00a0and\u00a0don&#8217;t\u00a0have\u00a0the financial\u00a0resources. When you go on antidepressants, the first prescription often\u00a0doesn&#8217;t\u00a0work. You go through multiple drugs before finding something effective. For someone without a lot of income, failed attempts that are financially challenging, while\u00a0they&#8217;re\u00a0already not feeling well and not seeing results, create a real barrier. They often drop out after the first round. The pharmaceutical and treatment industry expects iteration, but that expectation is not reasonable for someone trying to get through a difficult period without a financial cushion.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Picture a 24-year-old employee earning less than their peers, with a few failed prescriptions and the\u00a0setbacks those\u00a0created. What they do instead is\u00a0quiet\u00a0cope: deal with it on their own. Sometimes that looks like healthy coping, like a creative outlet. But\u00a0what&#8217;s\u00a0increasingly showing up in the data is the use of cannabis and CBD as a frontline tool to address mental health challenges.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Geoff:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0Some of the stats that jumped out: half of depressed Gen\u00a0Zers\u00a0are using marijuana, and 70% of Gen Z CBD users are using it specifically for mental wellness. Regardless of your position on that, Gen Z is also turning to some genuinely constructive outlets: crafting, reading, exercise, analog hobbies. These are resourceful workarounds. Every generation copes in some way. For boomers, it might be coming home after\u00a0a hard day\u00a0and having a glass of wine. Gen X might just be checking out. Gen Z seems to be trying to be more\u00a0intentional about\u00a0optimizing\u00a0their mental health through a range of self-preservation techniques.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">The employer question is: what do you do with this information? I think\u00a0there&#8217;s\u00a0clearly an element of leaning into holistic health resources that Gen Z seems to be drawn to. And the other is manager training. For years, managers were told that Gen Z has an attitude problem. The data suggests\u00a0that\u00a0may have been a misguided frame. If\u00a0you&#8217;re\u00a0only\u00a0solving for\u00a0attitude,\u00a0you&#8217;re\u00a0solving for the wrong thing. Being aware of this and investing in manager training, whether mental health first aid or programs that empower managers to have more productive conversations and spot signals where someone may need extra support, is where you can\u00a0actually make\u00a0a real impact.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Nick:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0The manager training point connects back to the previous article. A well-trained manager still needs inputs and visibility to identify someone who isn&#8217;t coping. That is much easier in person. If you&#8217;re fully remote and don&#8217;t even require video on calls, you&#8217;re often just doing phone calls with a group of people. An employee who&#8217;s depressed may not be chiming in, may be pulling back, and that&#8217;s nearly impossible to detect when you can&#8217;t see them. So if you&#8217;re thinking about manager training as a response to quiet coping, there&#8217;s an argument that some amount of in-person work, even minimal, is probably beneficial.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">One thing I&#8217;ll push back on with the article is the framing of this as exclusively a Gen Z story. When you look at the full data, millennials are not far behind. Fifty percent of depressed Gen Zers use marijuana; forty-eight percent of depressed millennials do. Gen Z is at 70% for CBD mental wellness use; millennials are at 62%. Some of the other metrics flip entirely, with millennials higher. The gaps are real but not dramatic. I think this is more than just a Gen Z story. The article&#8217;s focus on Gen Z may reflect where the trend is most visible, but the underlying dynamic cuts across generations.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">And if you get a chance to look at the remote work study directly, I&#8217;d encourage it. It&#8217;s effectively a data presentation with chart after chart. One I found particularly interesting shows employee desire for remote days versus employer offerings at each level. There&#8217;s a mismatch: nearly 30% of employees want fully remote, but very few employers offer that. And there are only 28% of employees who want five days a week in the office. The employer and employee are in different places on this, and the full data is worth exploring.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Geoff:<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0It&#8217;s hard to find the Goldilocks model, but the gap between employer policy and employee desire is probably tightest in that two-to-three days range. That seems like a good place to wrap up today&#8217;s podcast. Thanks as always for those who tune in. You can listen to Wellable Weekly on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.\u00a0Be sure to subscribe to the Wellable Weekly newsletter for all the latest insights. 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